tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post8308410951128924406..comments2024-03-27T19:54:34.479+00:00Comments on Falling On A Bruise: Why Libya?Falling on a bruisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05518409624331248084noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-80213712030610673932011-03-17T22:25:23.951+00:002011-03-17T22:25:23.951+00:00Fair enough. Just thought it was worth asking. I f...Fair enough. Just thought it was worth asking. I feel extremely sorry for anyone who gets cancer, and for their loved ones, but I do think there are a lot of things you can do to lower the risk. I'm not a model in this regard, and still sneak the odd ciggie (even though I've officially given up) and do other potentially unhealthy things... but even I would never consider raising the risk exponentially by going to certain places in Iraq.Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-28773216327678448892011-03-17T17:43:14.163+00:002011-03-17T17:43:14.163+00:00chezzy,
i cant explain it. that is one reason why...chezzy,<br />i cant explain it. that is one reason why i shared it. i hesitated to share it, i promise you that.<br /><br />- maybe the wmd material came from the USA <br />- maybe it was such a small amount that it cant be claimed - but is still lethal to an unprotected individual<br />- maybe we are protecting another head of state (russian or chinese) in return for some concession or action <br />- maybe it made its way into iraq AFTER we invaded <br /><br />. . . <br /><br />The lybian thing is hard to grasp as well. my grandmother used to say "if you lie down with dawgs you get fleas". <br /><br />after ww2 we took over many responsibilities that the brits and french no longer had the resources to support. in the process, and over the years we made deals with the devil's minions so we could control global pinch points, oil, and transportation routes. <br /><br />now we find ourselves between a rock and a hard place. we can do what is right, or we can do what is practical. in the end americans are practical people and to us practical evolves around economics. of course, as a people we are short term thinkers and we like immediate results (rewards i should say...). <br /><br />qAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-64812863377214709512011-03-17T16:17:55.703+00:002011-03-17T16:17:55.703+00:00I think I meant to say something like:
"any...I think I meant to say something like: <br /><br /><i>"any ideas why the US government would want to keep <b>the solution to</b> the most embarrassing intelligence failure in their history a secret from us?"</i> <br /><br />But anyway... back to Libya... I see that just this morning the US is pushing the UN to authorise not just a no-fly zone over Libya, but also the use of air strikes to strafe Gaddafi's troops... Jesus H Christ on a bike... Two clusterfucks in the middle east is apparently not enough...Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-37421085118769227752011-03-17T14:25:56.282+00:002011-03-17T14:25:56.282+00:00Hmmmm, sounds to me a bit like chucking a load of ...Hmmmm, sounds to me a bit like chucking a load of broken glass onto a football field* and then complaining when you then play a game on it and get cut. <br /><br />*except that broken glass, unlike depleted uranium, doesn't cause injuries and birth defects like <a href="http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.<br /><br />Also, any ideas why the US government would want to keep the most embarrassing intelligence failure in their history a secret from us? When popping up and saying "Oh look! Here they are!" would have spared some blushes...? <br /><br />I know your general point is that the government generally like to keep us in the dark about things, (which is a point I absolutely agree with) but c'mon, hit me with your theory about this; it would be fun to speculate.Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-14319321484714973842011-03-17T14:13:34.055+00:002011-03-17T14:13:34.055+00:00cheezy,
based on what this guy did in the NSA and...cheezy,<br /><br />based on what this guy did in the NSA and national intell (senior levels at both) i'd say he knows a lot about what we did in iraq. <br /><br />he didn't say it unequivally. his actual quote was more like "we think her cancer was caused by exposure to wmd's in iraq". mind you, he has a phd in a medical field, so does his brother (in fact his brother is known world wide for his medical expertise), and so does his sister... quite a family. <br /><br />my point wasn't about the cause of the cancer, my point was I don't remember anybody saying they actually found wmd materials in iraq - until now.<br /><br />qAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-89093078423701062392011-03-17T09:40:33.309+00:002011-03-17T09:40:33.309+00:00Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have be...Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have been eaten… I’ll try again: <br /><br /><i>”i met a man recently whose wife was a cia agent. according to him she died from cancer she got being exposed to wmd's in iraq.”</i><br /><br />This sounds intriguing, Q. However, I’m wondering if this guy realises that the west used large amounts of depleted uranium in Iraq both during the first Gulf War and since the invasion of 2003. And when did she get this cancer, do you know? The incubation period for depleted uranium is around 5 years, so you can see a big increase in Iraqis (and foreigners who merely ‘visited’) contracting tumours (often brain tumours) from 1996 and 2008 and onwards. Apart from depleted uranium, there have also been other potentially damaging toxins used e.g. white phosphorous. Birth defects have also shot up at an alarming rate, especially in places that saw a lot of combat, like Fallujah. <br /><br />I’m not saying that your friend’s wife’s cancer wasn’t caused by stepping in a bucket of sarin that Saddam was keeping for special occasions; I’m just saying that it must be very difficult to tell the exact cause, bearing in mind that encountering aggressive carcinogens – mainly ones bought with our tax money – is but one of the many pleasures that awaits those who serve in Iraq. <br /><br />Our glorious leaders and their chums in the media don’t like talking about this issue; however it’s (understandably) a burning issue for veterans. <br /><br /><i>”David Cameron is looking for a distraction and he thinks he has found one because as Margaret Thatcher will tell you, a good, quick successful war is a vote winner at home.”</i><br /><br />You know, I seriously doubt this, Lucy. Cameron must know that people are much more cynical and aware about this tactic than they were in ’82… Most people are heartily sick of war now, even ones we’re told we’re ‘winning’.Cheezyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176170186766506070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-88569440302839534722011-03-15T07:13:13.151+00:002011-03-15T07:13:13.151+00:00Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have be...Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have been eaten... I’ll try again: <br /><br /><i>”i met a man recently whose wife was a cia agent. according to him she died from cancer she got being exposed to wmd's in iraq.”</i><br /><br />This sounds intriguing, Q. However, I’m wondering if this guy realises that the west used large amounts of depleted uranium in Iraq both during the first Gulf War and since the invasion of 2003. And when did she get this cancer, do you know? The incubation period for depleted uranium is around 5 years, so you can see a big increase in Iraqis (and foreigners who merely ‘visited’) contracting tumours (often brain tumours) from 1996 and 2008 and onwards. Even apart from depleted uranium, there have also been a lot other potentially damaging toxins used in Iraq e.g. white phosphorous. Also, birth defects have also shot up at an alarming rate, especially in places that saw a lot of combat, like Fallujah. <br /><br />I’m not saying that your friend’s wife’s cancer wasn’t caused by stepping in a bucket of sarin that Saddam was keeping for special occasions; I’m just saying that it must be very difficult to tell the exact cause, bearing in mind that encountering aggressive carcinogens – mainly ones bought with our tax money – is but one of the many pleasures that awaits those who serve in Iraq. <br /><br />Our glorious leaders and their chums in the media don’t like talking about this issue; however it’s (understandably) a burning issue for veterans. <br /><br /><i>”David Cameron is looking for a distraction and he thinks he has found one because as Margaret Thatcher will tell you, a good, quick successful war is a vote winner at home.”</i><br /><br />I stand to be corrected, but I seriously doubt this, Lucy. Cameron must know that people are much more cynical and aware about this tactic than they were in ’82. Most people are heartily sick of war now, even ones that we’re told we’re ‘winning’.Cheezynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-91580167704277826492011-03-14T13:00:39.027+00:002011-03-14T13:00:39.027+00:00Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have be...Oops, my first attempt to comment seems to have been eaten. I’ll try again: <br /><br /><i>”i met a man recently whose wife was a cia agent. according to him she died from cancer she got being exposed to wmd's in iraq.”</i><br /><br />This sounds intriguing, Q. However, I’m wonderng if this guy realises that the west used large amounts of depleted uranium in Iraq both during the first Gulf War and since the invasion of 2003. And when did she get this cancer, do you know? The incubation period for depleted uranium is around 5 years, so you can see a big increase in Iraqis (and foreigners who merely ‘visited’) contracting tumours (often brain tumours) from 1996 and 2008 and onwards. Apart from depleted uranium, there have also been other potentially damaging toxins used e.g. white phosphorous. Birth defects have also shot up at an alarming rate, especially in places that saw a lot of combat <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/13/falluja-cancer-children-birth-defects" rel="nofollow">like Fallujah</a>.<br /><br />I’m not saying that your friend’s wife’s cancer <i>wasn’t</i> caused by stepping in a bucket of sarin that Saddam was keeping for special occasions; I’m just saying that it must be very difficult to tell the exact cause, bearing in mind that encountering aggressive carcinogens – mainly ones bought with our tax money – is but one of the many pleasures that awaits those who serve in Iraq. <br /><br />Our glorious leaders and their chums in the media don’t like talking about this issue; however it’s (understandably) a burning issue <a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/29/cancers-in-our-us-iraq-veterans/" rel="nofollow">for veterans</a>.<br /><br /><i>”David Cameron is looking for a distraction and he thinks he has found one because as Margaret Thatcher will tell you, a good, quick successful war is a vote winner at home.”</i><br /><br />You know, I stand to be corrected but I seriously doubt this, Lucy. Cameron must know that people are much more cynical and aware about this tactic than they were in ’82. Most people are heartily sick of war now, even ones we’re told we’re ‘winning’.Cheezynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-50209164500760774322011-03-14T10:27:18.993+00:002011-03-14T10:27:18.993+00:00"i met a man recently whose wife was a cia ag...<i>"i met a man recently whose wife was a cia agent. according to him she died from cancer she got being exposed to wmd's in iraq."</i><br /><br />That sounds intriguing, Q. I assume your friend is aware that the west made heavy use of depleted uranium in Iraq, during both the first Gulf War and the invasion in 2003. When did she get the cancer? The typical incubation period of depleted uranium is 5 to 6 years. Consequently there was a spike in recorded cancer cases in 1996-7 and 2008-9. Even apart from these periods, cancer spreads like wildfire in Iraq. There's been a huge spike in birth defects too, particularly neurological and spinals ones (typical of uranium)... <br /><br />I’m not saying that your friend’s wife <i>didn’t</i> get cancer by accidentally putting her foot in a tub of sarin that Saddam was keeping for special occasions... (as I totally agree with your general point that governments like to keep us in the dark about matters of critical national security)... just that, when you go to Iraq these days, getting cancer is just one of the many risks that you run. <br /><br />Our glorious leaders and the MSM don't like to report this sort of thing, of course, but veterans groups are <a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/29/cancers-in-our-us-iraq-veterans/" rel="nofollow">well aware of it.</a><br /><br /><i>"David Cameron is looking for a distraction and he thinks he has found one because as Margaret Thatcher will tell you, a good, quick successful war is a vote winner at home."</i><br /><br />I stand to be corrected, but I seriously doubt Cameron would see this as a potentially great election strategy, Lucy. I think Joe Public is much more jaded and cynical about this tactic than he was in '82. Even wars that we’re informed that we ‘won’ are pretty damn unpopular.Cheezynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484626660177622626.post-12520476262892657882011-03-13T15:59:58.793+00:002011-03-13T15:59:58.793+00:00Lucy,
it seems to me that you answered your first...Lucy,<br /><br />it seems to me that you answered your first question. you addressed several germane points and no logic prevails. thus, there must be things we don't know. this is a point i've tried to make for about 9 years now. our governments know things we will never know. for example, i met a man recently whose wife was a cia agent. according to him she died from cancer she got being exposed to wmd's in iraq. <br /><br />concerning military action when the nation is bankrupt. i think the usa spents too much on the military by a lot. i don't know about the uk. i want military spending cut in the usa. but we need a military and so does the uk. <br /><br />we don't need to provide social services to the millions of illegal aliens that pour into america from the south. <br /><br />we don't need to compensate (pay and benefits) our federal employees better than the private sector. consider this example, us postal workers are known for poor, crabby service. the post office loses canot pay for itself. but UPS and fedex are known for good service and they make a profit... why do these federal workers deserve better compensation? <br /><br />we don't need to provide "free" health care to every american - the doctors, hospitals, and pharma industry really rope-a-doped us over the last 30 years. <br /><br />qAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com