Monday, 2 September 2019

Amendments To We The People

As we get told after every mass shooting in America, the right to bear arms is in the constitution and nobody has yet come up with a way to change the constitution, let's call it an amendment for arguments sake.
Luckily America has these already and have a history of amending existing laws enshrined in the constitution to improve the lives of its citizens with the most famous being the 2nd Amendment which allows for the owning of weapons but there have been a number including the one before that mad law which sees tens of thousands of Americans shot to death each year.
Amendment 1 made the freedom of speech a thing and the 3rd stopped soldiers from being posted in your home without your consent while the 4th Amendment meant that Americans could no longer be searched at any time for any reason without a warrant.
The 5th Amendment protects individuals from being forced to incriminate themselves in a criminal prosecution and without the 6th Americans would not be entitled to a fair trial-by-jury.
Without the 8th Amendment punishments for crimes would still be excessive, cruel and unusual and slavery would still be legal if the constitution had not been amended by the 13th which abolished it.
The 15th Amendment gave black and Hispanic people the vote, the 19th meant women could join them in the polling booth and after the 26th Amendment, US citizens over the age of 18 could also vote.
Far from not being able to do anything to end the awful and lethal gun laws in America, the mechanism is there to change it and they are called Amendments for a reason but it seems to leave things as they are and just look solemn and mumble something about 'thoughts and prayers' is the preferred way to deal with the additional 40,000 bodies with big holes in them clogging up the cemeteries each year.


Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

your clumsiest post ever. E V E R

the PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENTS IS TO INSURE INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM - NOT LIMIT INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM (the founders believed that gun ownership directly related to self-defense which is crucial to individual freedom).

the declaration of independence is arguably the most "liberal" document of all human history. it has 3 messages:
1. individual freedom is not just for royalty
2. economic freedom is the key to individual freedom
3. hey King, stop messing with our economics or we will revolt

the founding fathers, well grounded in human history, knew that people don't get along with each other without constraints. they also knew that a pure democracy leads to mob-rule and is not much better than a King. they considered law to be a "necessary evil".

the founding fathers created a constitution with 3 main outcomes:
1. establishes the USA as a Republic with an electoral college (minimize mob-rule)
2. the process/procedures for making laws (limits on individual freedom)
3. separation of powers between law proposers (House), commerce oversight (Senate), government operations (Executive branch), enforcement of the constitution (Supreme Court)

the constitution does not spell out any rights

thought the preamble states that the NATION IS FOUNDED ON FREEDOM - NOT EQUALITY

lastly, the founders created the bill of rights. It started as 10 amendments (over 100 were proposed but they decided 10 were crucial). they communicated clearly that these 10 amendments are essential, and the order matters.

- amendments 1 thru 4 make it easier for the citizenry to resist the government
- amendments 5 thru 9 make it hard for the government to imprison people
- amendment 10 is intended to counter an overbearing federal government with strong state governments

Falling on a bruise said...

Amendment, there is a massive clue in the name.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

"Bill of RIGHTS" - there is a massive clue in the name ( R I G H T S )

R - I - G - H - T - S

It isn't the "Bill of LIMITS"

And, it is not about amending the amendments... What is being "amended" is the process for making laws to insure that people like you don't deprive others of their RIGHT to self-defense. The trait that the founding fathers believed was second only to freedom of thought (1st amendment) for enabling individual freedom.

The shootings are shocking. We've always had lots of guns in America. The Mass shootings are a new phenom. But, more concerning to me is the people like you that would deprive me of my rights because of your fear. Your fear is not justification to deprive me of my rights.

Worse BS is when people like you claim they are denying other rights for the good of society. You are doing it because of your own fear. Own it you fake.

Luckily, the founding fathers saw this BS coming and made it hard for people like you to get power. Also, luckily, you don't have a vote in America!! Yea!!

God Bless America, that place with no Brits...

Falling on a bruise said...

What about the right not to be shot and killed in a school or in a club or at a concert? They forfeit that right because you and your gun toting crackpots want to play the big man with guns? If you think mass shooting of children in school or concert goers is a price worth paying just so you can play with guns then you are screwier than even I thought.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

you wouldn't know a right if it smashed you in the face.

people get hurt. a fact of life. you have to the right to avoid harm. you don't have the right to not be harmed.

people intentionally hurt other people. another sad fact of life.

Americans have the right to try and prevent others from hurting us. Seems Brits have the right to be harmed... whilst they wait for the police to arrive...

to prevent others from intentionally harming us, we need the ability to defend ourselves. In most violent situations, to defend oneself one typically needs a weapon (never take a knife to a gun fight). Thus - THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS...

i'm not playing big man - that is your mental bullshit that you are projecting onto me. i NEVER want a confrontation, but if i have one, i don't want to be made helpless by people like you... "Oh, oh, please don't hurt me... run Beth, I'll try to slow them down by taking a knife in the gut..."

if you think that taking guns from law abiding citizens is going to stop murders and mass murders you are an idiot:

- Does London have zero murders this year? To me, being stabbed and slashed to death doesn't sound much better than being shot to death.

- Luckily yawl don't have any mass murders in the UK... well, except for bombings and running over people with large vehicles...

Ignoring these facts means you are living in la la land... as Biden (leftist presidential candidate) recently said "truth is more important than facts"... idiots

I do not think that the death of any innocent person (child, worshiper, aged person, wal-mart shopper, concert goer, whoever) is a price worth paying. But taking guns from law abiding citizens will not stop that.

By the way, the same weekend, 35 people were shot in Chicago and 7 were killed. But it wasn't a mass-murder... just drug gangs of felons with illegal weapons killing others will illegal weapons that want to sell illegal drugs to felon-drug-addicts...

Falling on a bruise said...

Wacky gun nut logic, would be funny if it didn't mean so many people died because of it.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

the logic of a weak, scared, confused leftist that wants the government to hold their hand when they cross the street...

admit it... you want mama government to take care of you...

Falling on a bruise said...

I would say the logic of someone who doesn't dismiss 40,000 deaths of your countrymen as a price worth paying for you to feel a big man and own a gun.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

you seem obsessed with "big" men... i suggest you keep the personal stuff off of public blogs.

first, they are not your countrypersons goody two shoes - back off. i'm trying to keep idiot leftists from making me a dependent on the government for my safety

second, i don't dismiss them. i just don't believe that anything proposed by the left will fix the problem or would have saved them.

and why should i think like the left when people from the left like you still argue that socialism and communism will work better than capitalism, and say stupid shit like "health care is a right", and confuse love and marriage, and deny that leftists like lenin mao and castro killed more people (mostly their own people) than hitler...

Falling on a bruise said...

You should be here, you will hear much worse, me saying you wanting to play a big man with your guns is very mild.

I know that you are not big on giving certain people rights so i guess the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights where it clearly states that 'stupid shit like health care' is indeed a right passed you by.

Too easy, far too easy.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

apparently you are surrounded by a lot of assholes. sorry about that. maybe they are bitter because we got tired of british shit and sent it packing.

- Universal is more than a bit arrogant since we've barely gotten off of this planet
- the Declaration is a rewrite of what the American Founding Fathers did, only with a socialist/communist spin
- apparently, they wouldn't know aright if it smashed them in the face
- a right doesn't require taxes or any other form of wealth redistribution
- the UN, isn't it essentially all the jealous, envious intellectuals of the world trying to create one "global communist nation"?
- when is the next UN election, I'm voting them out. Oh, they are self-appointed, so they have no jurisdiction over me... thank God!! That would as stupid as the EU telling the UK how many immigrants that must accept... what bullshit

Falling on a bruise said...

Damn right, who does the UN think they are making acts that improves things, damn cheek.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

the assholes aren't improving anything. they would destroy America, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Europe so that the rest of the world could be a little better. but by god, we'd all be equal... you would be happy at the equalness

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

Regarding the idiots around you

The people around you seem to be weak minded. At the very least they lack imagination. There are many reasons to own guns:
- Family heirlooms
- Collectibles
- Fun to shoot
- Self-defense
- Varmint eliminator (snakes, coyotes, etc.)
- Extension of ego – big man syndrome you keep repeating
- Hunting
- Buy & sell them for profit
- Protection during criminal activities

I started shooting when I was 5. I started hunting when I was 10. It is something I did with my father, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, and one aunt. A grandmother of mine would carry one as a “snake gun” when we walked the farm.

Maybe you and your narrow minded associates can only image one or two reasons, but guns have been part of my entire life. I don’t appreciate people like you trying to take them from me because some people abuse them.

Falling on a bruise said...

See i would be cute about it and not ban guns but make them so damn expensive to own by either smacking a large tax on the gun themselves, introducing a very expensive license or making the bullets eye-wateringly expensive so i could say there you go, you can have all the guns you want to the second amenders but you are going to have to really want them because they will cost you alot.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

Brilliant and innovative as usual - - - oooop, we've only heard that proposed about 20,000 times...

Not sure it would help though. Remember? Americans already have 325 million guns... and because of such suggestions as yours in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and early 00's us second amenders already have thousands and thousands of bullets. thousands and thousands. and we have stores of components for loading our own ammo...

none of it matter to criminals who will continue to get their guns by stealing them and by buying them on the black market from the drug traffickers...

but yawl don't have any crime problems since you banned guns.
- 0 murders in the UK this year? Right?
- 0 rapes? Right?
- 0 assaults? Right?
- 0 burglaries? Right?

Hey, i checked. Yawl have more violent crime than the US except murders... but you have a lot of murders too...

what the heck?

how can this be?

I thought you said banning guns fixed everything.

Hey, yawl even have quite a few gun murders!!

What the hell are you trying to pull... you damned leftist liar!!

yawl have a lot of crime, but your people are defenseless... maybe it is because you made your people defenseless?

Falling on a bruise said...

Just keep going with the thoughts and prayers thing then because that is working so well for you.

Liber - Latin for "The Free One" said...

Don't you just hate facts? as leftist Biden said "truth is more important than facts". in other words, the left ignore facts...