Saturday, 2 April 2016

Socialism Making Inroads In USA

If the Bernie Sanders presidential bid has shown anything, it is that America is suddenly awash with Socialists, millions of them in fact.
In a nation that has long been resistant to Socialism’s call, deliberately or ignorantly confusing it with its bigger brother Communism, it seems a bit strange that suddenly they are loud and proud about their beliefs but where did they come from and what do they mean by socialism?
Polls show that the vast majority of people who call themselves 'Socialist' are under the age of 30 which may go some way to explain it.
It was the same age group of Americans who said that they looked positively upon the message of Occupy Wall Street, that the 1% has flourished at the expense of the 99%. The collapse of Capitalism in America with the record levels of inequality, scant economic opportunities and a $19 trillion debt has not gone unnoticed and it was the youth who took up the stand and in looking for a fairer way of running society discovered Socialism.
The largest factor though was the length of time since the collapse of Soviet Communism which has allowed younger Americans to identify Socialism with the social democratic nations of Western Europe, all of which suffer from less economic inequality and its attendant woes than the United States.
With Socialism and Communism interchangeable above the more ignorant over 30s (and still very much ignorant about it today it appears) the minds of the under 30s are not muddied by such things as Stalin, Lenin or Castro and see content Socialist nations such as the Scandinavians in Western Europe and say they want some of that.   
They see the declining economic conditions in America, where only the rich are rewarded and that appears to be the key to why today there are now Socialists by the millions in America.
For many of them Capitalism was tried and failed horrendously and the under 30s are looking for a new way and though late to the party, young Americans seem immune to the tales of the USSR bogeyman which was used as a stick to beat Socialism and have discovered that Socialism is the place to go.
Even if Bernie doesn't make his way in this time around, in 4 years time, if those tens of millions can collect around a central figure like they have Bernie Sanders and the Socialist ideal can continue to be forced onto the agenda (and Capitalism continues to mess with so many young lives), European style Socialism could be coming soon to America soon enough. 

16 comments:

Keep Life Simple said...

You speak with authority but is essentially speculative. You make assertions that because people disagree with you they are ignorant. If we want to become a middeling nation with a chronically mediocre economy we can convert more private sector to government owned business (socialism).

Our debt is due to leftists (Obama, Pelosi, Reid) and their 1920's economic mentality not capitalism.

And nothing is happening soon unless you consider 30 years soon, which is how long it will take the Boomers and Gen X to die off. Then Gen Y and Gen Z will have the numbers. Of course, a large number of Gen Y are not leftists. Remember that Bernie is getting less than half of the democrat vote, and the democrats represent half of the American voters, and only half of Americans vote, so his supporters represent so that is 15% to 20% max.

Now if we can just keep out the illegal aliens that just come here for welfare...

Falling on a bruise said...

Not speculation, Sanders has had millions voting for him.
Ignorant because Communism and Socialism does get interchanged.
Debt according to USeconomy.com is due to Obama ($6.4 trillion), GW Bush ($5.89 trillion), George HW Bush ($1.5 trillion), Reagan ($1.86 trillion), Clinton ($1.3 trillion). Add that up between Rep & Dems how you like.
Socialism has gone from nowhere to tens of million in the space of 4 years and as it gets more widely known and the hysterics of the right wing are put to bed, it can only grow more.

Keep Life Simple said...

There are 310 million Americans behaving millions vote for you is not saying much. Further, it has no more steam here than it did with the other leftists that failed miserably in the 60's, 70's, 80's.

Keep Life Simple said...

That is one source. The debt was $10 trillion when Obama took over. In his first 4 years he increased the debt more than all other presidents combined.

Keep Life Simple said...

And you didn't even mention FDR and LBJ who built all the government overhead to fix problems in the 30's and 60's that now costs so much to run - without apparently fixing the problems.

Keep Life Simple said...

And once again you show no knowledge of US history. Socialism and communism were being touted quite heavily before WW2. Hitler and Stalin changed our views on both.

Falling on a bruise said...

As a Brit why would I have knowledge of American history over any of the other 201 countries that I am not from? That reknown Marxist hitler turned you off socialism? Didn't that 5 year old with the big book of history for kids turn up?

Keep Life Simple said...

So you admit ignorance. That is a good start. Now go read some.

Falling on a bruise said...

You have knowledge of all the history of all the countries you are not from? Why would i need to read it if it is inconsequential to me? Are you losing the plot?

Keep Life Simple said...

Maybe. The socialists that have been politically destroyed in my life time include:
- McGovern (won one state, Nixon won 49)
- Dukakis (lost to H Bush)
- Humphrey (list to Nixon)
- Mondale (lost to Reagan)
- Ralph Nadar (lost to everyone)

Falling on a bruise said...

Where any of them as openly Socialist as Bernie or are you using Socialist to mean they were left wingers? Does the fact that Bernie is doing so well while the others did so badly not prove the point that Socialism is now gaining momentum in America?

Keep Life Simple said...

McGovern was pushing socialism like Bernie. The others less so

Samuel Guevara said...

Do you know The Political Compass? http://www.politicalcompass.org/
It's good to know one's political position, doing a little test (btw, I landed on Kropotkin's beard).
Also they did the US Primary Candidates chart: Sanders appears as social-democrat in it, Clinton is in the right-authoritarian quadrant, and the others (Trump, Cruz, Bush, Rubio) are in the corner of this right-authoritarian quadrant, where Pinochet.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Falling on a bruise said...

Trump and Pinochet, i an see how those two would get along.
I took the test and ended up Libertarian between Communism and Anarchism, pretty close to Gandhi and the Green Party. I'm happy with that.

Keep Life Simple said...

Libertarian? The system considers taxation and social engineering and socialism to be libertarian? That is one broken tool.

Keep Life Simple said...

4.6 economics
-2.7 libertarian
Right libertarian